10 sõrmega trükkimine

kyng · Postitus Postitas **kyng** » 24.07.2009, 10:29

Osakb keegi soovitada mõnda vabavaralist programmi, mis seda trikki õpetaks?

aethralis · Postitus Postitas **aethralis** » 24.07.2009, 10:42

Mina kasutasin Klavarot kunagi. Seda sai Eesti keele peale ka kohendada. See on Ubuntul repodes ka.

natsa · Postitus Postitas **natsa** » 24.07.2009, 11:20

Gnomes klavaro, KDE-s ktouch, mõlemat annab eesti keele jaoks kohendada.

Qilaq · Postitus Postitas **Qilaq** » 24.07.2009, 13:57

Klavarot ei tea, aga vähemalt KTouchile ei ole senini keegi teinud spetsiaalset eesti keele/klaviatuuri harjutusfaili, nii et õppida selle abil muidugi saab, aga tuleb kas endal improviseerida või kasutada mõne sellise keele harjutusfaili, mis kas või mingil määral oleks abiks, nt soome või saksa.

DaStoned · Postitus Postitas **DaStoned** » 24.07.2009, 17:22

Need on lihtsad tekstifailid. Kopeeri suvalisest dokumendist paar lehekülge teksti ja harjutusfail olemas.

Qilaq · Postitus Postitas **Qilaq** » 24.07.2009, 18:00

Jah, seda võib muidugi teha ja võib võib-olla ka mingite vahenditega algelise harjutusfaili kokku lasta, aga üldiselt on kümnesõrmesüsteemi jaoks olemas ikka korralikud õppematerjalid koos vastavate harjutustega - see on see, mida eesti keele puhul KTouchil seni pole, erinevalt mõnest muust keelest - sellepärast ma soovitasingi suhteliselt eesti keelele lähedasi soome ja saksa keele harjutusfaile, et neil on need olemas. Sest tegelikult on kümnesõrmesüsteemi korralikuks kättesaamiseks ikka vajalik seda korralikult õppida, saada korralikult tunnetus sisse, milline sõrm kus peab asetsema ja kuhu liikuma. Seda päris suvalisest kohast võetud tekstijupiga ei pruugi saada või on see vähemalt tunduvalt vaevalisem.

kyng · Postitus Postitas **kyng** » 25.07.2009, 10:38

Siin paar esimest postitajat väitisd, et saab eesti keele peale kohandada. Äkki nad siis ütlevad ka kuidas nad seda tegid? Või käiski niimodi et copy-paste suvaline tekst jne?

aethralis · Postitus Postitas **aethralis** » 25.07.2009, 17:01

Jah, oligi nii. Suvaline tekst. Ma ei ajanud ka muidugi taga mingit võistluskvaliteeti ja kiirust 10 sõrmega trükkimisel. Peamine asi on vist siiski selles, et kui esimene ots selge on, siis tasub hakata igapäevaselt kasutama ning kirjutamise kvaliteet aegamööda paraneb. Üldiselt peaks maksimum kuu ajaga hakkama saama.

layr · Postitus Postitas **layr** » 25.09.2011, 16:02

Oskab keegi öelda, milline on õige sõrmede kasutuslayout?
Kas
Pilt

vs

või tegu puhtalt eelistusega?

KTouch pooldab ilmselgelt esimest.

natsa · Postitus Postitas **natsa** » 25.09.2011, 21:50

Siin paar esimest postitajat väitisd, et saab eesti keele peale kohandada. Äkki nad siis ütlevad ka kuidas nad seda tegid?

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</KTouchKeyboard>

Kopeeri eelnev tekstiredaktorisse, pane failinimeks "ee.keyboard.xml" ja
kopeeri asukohta. Ubuntus: /usr/share/kde4/apps/ktoush

Ktoush'i seadistuste valikusse ilmub eesti klaviatuur.